Posts by Ultimate Axiom

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So have any of you seen this site?

by nonjwspouse in

http://jehovahstrumpet.com/conjoined-twin-shuns-brother/.

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i apologize if i am double posting about this..

Ultimate Axiom

Yes - a great spoof site - however, its Links page could do with a link to this site - that would make it even better.

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Why does Organic Chemistry prove God's exists?

by KateWild in

so bring it on, and lay the evidence on me, kate (but perhaps you should start a new thread).-adam.

it does not prove god exists, there is no substantial evidence god is real.

if one is a self labeled atheist, one has no desire to see gods fingerprints in organic chemistry.

Ultimate Axiom

"The knowledge I have in my personal experience increases the probability of a intelligent Creator"

You may be a whiz at organic chemistry, but you have a lot to learn about the laws of probability.

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Instructions To Elders Re: Pursuing Higher Education

by baldeagle in

jw
friends

underlining is mine.. march 6, 2012 letter.

pursue divine education:some of our brothers are pursuing higher education, feeling that they can acquire a measure of financial security.

as you are aware, the educational system varies from country to country.

"heeding the warnings given by the faithful slave and its Governing Body" - hold on a minute - the FDS is the GB. Oh wait a another minute, this letter is dated March 2012 - it's already infected with 'old'light' the BOEs should just ignore it.

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Instructions To Elders Re: Pursuing Higher Education

by baldeagle in

jw
friends

underlining is mine.. march 6, 2012 letter.

pursue divine education:some of our brothers are pursuing higher education, feeling that they can acquire a measure of financial security.

as you are aware, the educational system varies from country to country.

Ultimate Axiom

Doesn’t that just show how utterly scared they are of their flock developing an intellect.

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Raised On the Third Day?

by TTATTelder in

i have some potentially controversial questions.. i have always wondered about these things in the back of my mind, but i would immediately dismiss them.

now i am giving myself permission to explore them further.... a lot of attention is given to how big the sacrifice was on the part of jesus and god when jesus laid down his life.

as the story goes, jesus gave his life for our sins and then was miraculously raised back to life a couple of days later.. consider this.

Ultimate Axiom

Quite right Laika, everyone thinks they’ll get something out of it – heaven or paradise depending on what God you put your faith in. But I think the point they make is that people don’t "just" serve God for that reason - in other words they would do it anyway. I wouldn't, but maybe there are some that would.

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Raised On the Third Day?

by TTATTelder in

i have some potentially controversial questions.. i have always wondered about these things in the back of my mind, but i would immediately dismiss them.

now i am giving myself permission to explore them further.... a lot of attention is given to how big the sacrifice was on the part of jesus and god when jesus laid down his life.

as the story goes, jesus gave his life for our sins and then was miraculously raised back to life a couple of days later.. consider this.

Ultimate Axiom

Apognophos said “That's not the issue of universal sovereignty according to JWs.”

I disagree. Fundamentally Jehovah effectively said to man, “you need me to rule over you”, and He said to Satan, “man will serve me anyway, not just for the benefits”. In both cases, man and Satan (plus all the angels that followed Satan) said, “God you’re wrong, and if you give us the opportunity, we’ll prove it” And Jehovah of course wasn’t clever enough to realise that you don’t need to prove an axiom and went along with it.

And therein lies a paradox. As you don’t need to prove an axiom, in so doing Jehovah made a mistake. Therefore it cannot be axiomatic that he is infallible. But if he’s not infallible, he can’t be the Almighty God. But if He is the Almighty God, it must be axiomatic that he can’t be wrong. But he was wrong in thinking he needed to prove an axiom – and so round and round in circles we go.

It’s axiomatic to me that this whole things is nonsense.

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Raised On the Third Day?

by TTATTelder in

i have some potentially controversial questions.. i have always wondered about these things in the back of my mind, but i would immediately dismiss them.

now i am giving myself permission to explore them further.... a lot of attention is given to how big the sacrifice was on the part of jesus and god when jesus laid down his life.

as the story goes, jesus gave his life for our sins and then was miraculously raised back to life a couple of days later.. consider this.

Ultimate Axiom

I didn't think about this until the film Jesus Christ Superstar came out and it has Judas singing, "Who are you? What have you sacrificed?" Like you TATTElder, I started to think, this doesn’t make sense.

And on the universal sovereignty issue mentioned by Comatose, none of that makes sense to me either. If we, as humans, acknowledge that God cannot make mistakes, cannot be wrong, then it doesn’t need to be proved (the ultimate axiom if you like). And if we know that, then all the angels must have known that as well. So why did Jehovah throw his whole creation into chaos and evil to prove something that doesn’t need proving? Not one of those angels would have thought, “hold on Jehovah, we think Satan’s got a point, we think you may be wrong here.” To which Jehovah replied, “oh dear, I’d better prove myself then hadn’t I”. And then 6000 years of evil follow. Where's the logic in that?

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Am I missing something here ?

by smiddy in

in ancient times , o.t.speak, god dealt with humans in a variety of ways , dreams ,visions ,prophets,and prophetesses , then apparently 2000 years ago he must have said, i`m not doing this anymore.they , my followers will just have to beleive and put faith in what has been written down up untill the 20th century of the common era.

approximately 4000 years of human history where god has communicated with humans .

if you beleive that .. their has been no communication between god , with any human , whether by dreams , visions , or prophets , for the past 2000 years.. and may i add, their has been no communication from jesus during these past 2000 years either, giving us enlightend /updates about his sayings /prophecys that he gave while on earth 2000 years ago.. please explain.. smiddy.

Ultimate Axiom

I am not aware that Jesus wrote down anything. Well, anything that has survived anyway.

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Crazy JW urban legend

by Simon in

a sure guarantee that this was bogus (really, any reasoning is required at all?

) was that it did the rounds applied to john denver, annie lennox and others.. basically, they relied on satan (oh yes) for their musical ability (i knew it) and any jws in the audience would be asked to leave because ... (drum roll) ... they blocked the signal to satan so couldn't perform with them present!.

anyone else remember that gem?.

Ultimate Axiom

There are quite a few threads on this subject here - just do a search on John Denver. Here's a few;

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/social/entertainment/127499/1/John-Denver-v-Jay-Leno#.Uq2Nc1LlMlE

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/168933/1/Is-it-true-John-Denver-asks-any-Witnesses-to-leave-his-concert#.Uq2NpFLlMlE

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/32547/1/Did-John-Denver-hate-the-Witnesses#.Uq2NwVLlMlE

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Am I missing something here ?

by smiddy in

in ancient times , o.t.speak, god dealt with humans in a variety of ways , dreams ,visions ,prophets,and prophetesses , then apparently 2000 years ago he must have said, i`m not doing this anymore.they , my followers will just have to beleive and put faith in what has been written down up untill the 20th century of the common era.

approximately 4000 years of human history where god has communicated with humans .

if you beleive that .. their has been no communication between god , with any human , whether by dreams , visions , or prophets , for the past 2000 years.. and may i add, their has been no communication from jesus during these past 2000 years either, giving us enlightend /updates about his sayings /prophecys that he gave while on earth 2000 years ago.. please explain.. smiddy.

Ultimate Axiom

ablebodiedman said, “Everything Jesus Christ said would happen 2000 years ago is really happening right now” and then goes on to say, “He also told us what he would do and say when he does return! The fact that he has not yet returned and said those things…”, which contradicts the first statement for clearly, “Everything” isn’t happening right now - Matt 24:29-31 for example. As for the rest of what Jesus said, well that's been going on since forever, not just now.
TEC said regarding Moslems, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews etc, “He speaks to all. He is standing at the door and knocking. Some cannot hear Him”. Of course they can’t hear him, how can an isolated Buddhist in outback Tibet hear him unless he actually speaks? You know, speaks with a voice like he did to Noah and Jonah. And regarding the prophets like Noah etc, TEC said, “He speaks the same way now” Please tell us who this modern day Noah is. What’s his name and address? I would like to get in touch with him.